This gets harder and harder with each list…
With this installment, i’m going with the top 5 hip hop producers of all time. This was by far the most difficult list to date. I tried to stray away from simply listing favorites, and challenged myself to list the “best”. Here’s the criteria that i’m going by:
- First and foremost, I’m considering the producer’s influence and legacy. Game changers. Legends. No fly-by-nighters.
- Not including people who are producers in name, like Diddy. The producer has to have shown the technical ability to make music at some point in their career.
That’s it. I kept it pretty simple. And with that, here’s the list (in no particular order):
- Dr. Dre: Arguably the most influential hip hop producer ever. (And i’m usually the one arguing that.) Produced or co-produced some of the highest selling artists of all time – NWA, himself, Snoop, Eminem, 50 Cent, Jay-Z, Busta Rhymes. Think about how many records were sold from that list alone. You can’t deny his ability to make classic records with long lasting appeal. Some might debate whether or not he’s taking credit for other people’s production these days, but he’s still the man behind the boards. No different from Quincy Jones having session musicians.
- Jay Dee / J Dilla: I would have been crucified if his name wasn’t one of the first two mentioned. We’ve had countless debates about who was the greatest – Dilla or Dre – and the results weren’t always clear cut. I like to believe that I won the argument with Dre, but there’s a strong case with Dilla. The sheer volume of his body of work is unfathomable. He was already deep into the game before anybody knew who he was. If you factor in his influence on the latter half of ATCQ’s career, his work with Slum Village, the endless remixes and collabs, and the legendary beat tapes, you have a producer that touched nearly every corner of the hip hop community (as well as a few outside of hip hop). His production style has been duplicated by countless producers out there. Who gavethe clap / snare its distinct sound? Who put the shift in the sequence to bring the snare in a little early? Filtered synths and loops like no other? You already know. There’s not much to say that you don’t know about already. Truly a legend.
- Pete Rock: For those of you that were around in the early 90s – remember when everybody had to have a “Pete Rock Remix”? Exactly. Name one weak project that Pete Rock produced. It’s okay, i’ll give you time… NONE. As far as producers go, Pete Rock owned the “Golden Era”. He was Dilla before Dilla. The production on his own albums are still standards to this day, but he was equally as impressive with tracks for others.
- DJ Premier: I almost put him and Pete Rock neck in neck for the “Golden Era”. You had to have a Pete Rock Remix and a Premier Remix. Premier probably stepped outside of the east coast more than Pete did. He had signature drum sounds and a style all his own. “Step Into The Arena” and “Daily Operation” were two of the best produced hip hop albums ever, comparable with ATCQ’s 2nd and 3rd albums. And he’s a hell of a DJ. And he’s from TX. Stand up!
- This is where it got tricky. I couldn’t find a 5th without excluding someone else who could fit in its place. I polled a few people for their feedback, and here’s some of the answers that I got:
- Marley Marl – HIGHLY influential in the earl days of hip hop. Changed the game as far as sampling goes.
- Prince Paul – highly overlooked producer, was responsible for a lot of projects that people take for granted: De la, Stetsasonic, etc
- The Bomb Squad – Public Enemy’s early work, helped launch Ice Cube’s solo career
- De La Soul – a lot of people still don’t know that they do most of their production
- Organized Noize / Earthtone III – Ever heard of the Dungeon Family? Produced Outkast, Goodie MoB, Witchdoctor, etc
- Timbaland – don’t hate. He might be making the good Timberlake money now, but his sound is still rooted in hip hop
- Kanye – ego aside, he is / was a damn good producer. I wouldn’t put him in the top 5, but his name is worth mentioning.
- Manny Fresh – did a lot of popular music for the No Limit camp when they were putting out an album a week
- Pimp C – a much, much better producer than anyone outside of Texas gave him credit for. Put straight up soul and funk on anything he produced. Look at his discography and prove me wrong.
- Q-Tip – his work on the early Tribe projects (if it’s true) is classic. His tracks for Nas, Mobb Deep, and a lot of other people went HARD.
Who did I leave off the list? Who’s worthy of that 5th spot? Did I get it all completely wrong? Discuss below.
No mention of DJ Quik? That guy is amazing as a producer, musician, and engineer.
I wish you guys, everybody in the world, would stop trying to say who’s the damn best… there is NO DEFINITIVE TOP 5 of anything.. I repeat.. there IS NO DEFINITIVE TOP 5.. it’s like saying Beauty is determined by a math function, it just ain’t happenin, even though symmetry is appealing, asymmetry is beautiful as well.. so please stop it is the biggest fallacy in thought that we are stuck in.. we are all points in the universe, the only thing that states up, down, left or right, is a reference point ..
PAUL C ANYBODY!!!!!!! COM’ ON PEOPLE! DON’T FORGET WHERE YOU COME FROM! LET’S ALL KEEP IT REAL PLEASE!
I can dig Pete Rock, Premo & Dilla being in your top 5 list. I personally would nominate 9th Wonder for my top 5 list.
I can dig Pete Rock, Premo & Dilla being in your top 5 list. I personally would definitely have 9th Wonder & Black Milk in my favourite producer list. Ayatollay, Oddisee and The ARE would prolly make my list as well but that’s just me.
I can dig Pete Rock, Premo & Dilla being in your top 5 list. I personally would definitely have 9th Wonder & Black Milk in my favourite producer list. Ayatollah, Oddisee, M-Phazes and The ARE would prolly make my list as well but that’s just me.
oooops…didn’t mean to post all those. my bad.
alJaZz
J Dilla
MadLib
DR Dre
PEte Rock
Eric sermon wasn’t mentioned, early in his career he showed consistincy and produced some of the most memorable hip hop albums of all time.
You gotta number these list and EXPLAIN THOROUGHLY with FACTS why these guys are the greatest…we got waaaay too many opinions out there and people adding in their favorites for the sake of not leaving them out…but c’mon….
If you ever caught just 1 marley marley show on WBLS and you witnessed how he stacked his samples and how he was breaking records just for a mix show then you’d understand what marley is on this list..he HAS to be #1..HAS to be…
he was using breaks others would use for their classic songs just for quick radio remixes, or breaking new samples live on the air…so ahead of his time its not fair, i still remember when he 1st broke nautilus the bob james joint just cause he ran across it…he REALLY did it all…
You have to add pete rock as well for the same thing but pete FLIPPED them samples then stacked them…plus the boom bap sound…as well as premo…same thing….but preemo would take a crazy sample and use 3 seconds of the intro and make a banger out of it just by his drums…preemo drums are the standard to which boom bap is measured by. period.
Then theres The RZA…..this man rebroke breakbeats and loops that EVERYBODY was passing on, had or already used…pete rock to Extra P got whatever RZA was sampling but they wasnt using it like he was…he sampled movies, plus the whole cinematic feel to his production, the slang, the buisness mindstate and album deal structure was HUGE, RZA broke the mold, literally, thats is why you gotta have him on there…plus kanye went on record as to admitting to COPYING ghost and RZAs style from supreme clientel….Jay-z’s classic blueprint might not have been so classic without that Wu Tang inspiration…same with alot of these new cats…
Eric Sermon…this guy was sampling P Funk records BEFORE Dr Dre…yes…1986…strictly buisness…their sound was ahead of its time…
same with PRINCE PAUL…the inventor of the album skit…he showed you it was ok to sample ANYTHING, plus RZA & Q Tip are cut from the same cloth….
Mark The 45 king is another one…never heard of him? try “hard knock life” of jay’z’s volume 2….
He sampled annie but the crazy part if how old he said that beat was before jay bought it…
Dre IS the Westcoast…period…BUT…if you didnt have all these other cats pushing the envelope would Dre have stepped his game up when he did NWA? he did say all he listen to was low end theory when he made The chronic…
I wanna say the bomb squad but its not hard to stack 8 hot JB loops on top of each other…some samples just take care of themselves ya know…but you still gotta add them to the list off impact alone…
The name Jay Dee speaks for itsself…BUT..and I say BUT…WITHOUT a pete rock would dilla still sound like dilla? dilla is the architect for the whole “neo-soul” sound, BUT without whatever RZA brung to the table before him with his soul samples would Dill a still be dilla? would madlib still sound like madlib?
Madlib is my favorite NOW, but I couldnt possibly put him over someone who already did what they’ve perfected after the fact…
And I might be wrong on some of my “facts” but it is what it is…
I just think its a different set of things to look at when talkin about guys from now versus back then….its not fair to YOU to try and compair what premo brought to the table versus timbaland….if thats the case preemo wins cause more producers immulate preemo for the skill more than anything, versus COPYING timbo for his method of getting his records on pop radio stations and getting BIG money…nothing wrong with that but its a BIG difference…influentual, true, but admiring and copying are NOT the same thing…
same with kanye or any of these new guys they really didnt pioneer ANYTHING they just watched & learned…with the greats they watched learned THEN carved their own path…
No? well what if Wu tang came out in 92 STILL sampling funky drummer like everybody elase in the 80’s already did? protect ya neck wouldnt have hit you the same right?
riiiight….
GOAT IMO…IN ORDER:
1Marly Marl
2The Rza
3DJ Premiere
4Pete Rock
5Dr Dre
Honorable mentions: you gotta discuss these guys BEFORE you bring up the timbalands and kanyes o fthe world IMO…wouldnt be fair…
Easy Mo Bee
DJ Mark the 45 king
DJ Quik
DJ Muggs
The Bomb Sqwad
Prince Paul
Large professor
Organized noize
Scarface (he made half of his own shit)
Eric sermon
Rakim (he made half of his own shit)
special K & teddy Ted
“ultimate break beats & shit, right? niggas still using the same loops for like a thousand years…”
-Rza “B.O.B.B.Y.”
RZA, baby! Here’s why:
* basically created a new sub-genre of hip-hop via his production – that dark, gritty, sad, yearning, soulful, moody sound. Remember this was when everyone else was making that shiny g-funk stuff.
* used a type of sample that no one else up to that point thought would make good hip-hop – 60s soul ballads.
* originated the sped-up-soul-sample style that Kanye came to dominate the charts with.
So I figure he squeezes in at number 5.
Although the Bomb Squad would be unlucky to miss out.
Premier is the best in my opinion. Pete Rock just behind. Dre is good but overrated.
I won’t rank within the top 5, but along with Primo, Pete, Dre, and Dilla belongs RZA. If he’d stopped making records in 97-98 (Ghost Dog excepted), there’d be no question. I can never decide whether to give him credit for taking risks as an artist (even if I wasn’t feeling it), or hold him accountable for not sticking with the formula (ala Primo) and continuing to crank out classic Wu bangers.
Marley is a tough runner-up.