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The Definitive Discussion: Top 5 Hip Hop Producers

By April 14, 2009Misc, Music, News

This gets harder and harder with each list…

With this installment, i’m going with the top 5 hip hop producers of all time. This was by far the most difficult list to date. I tried to stray away from simply listing favorites, and challenged myself to list the “best”. Here’s the criteria that i’m going by:

  • First and foremost, I’m considering the producer’s influence and legacy. Game changers. Legends. No fly-by-nighters.
  • Not including people who are producers in name, like Diddy. The producer has to have shown the technical ability to make music at some point in their career.

That’s it. I kept it pretty simple. And with that, here’s the list (in no particular order):

  1. Dr. Dre: Arguably the most influential hip hop producer ever. (And i’m usually the one arguing that.) Produced or co-produced some of the highest selling artists of all time – NWA, himself, Snoop, Eminem, 50 Cent, Jay-Z, Busta Rhymes. Think about how many records were sold from that list alone. You can’t deny his ability to make classic records with long lasting appeal. Some might debate whether or not he’s taking credit for other people’s production these days, but he’s still the man behind the boards. No different from Quincy Jones having session musicians.
  2. Jay Dee / J Dilla: I would have been crucified if his name wasn’t one of the first two mentioned. We’ve had countless debates about who was the greatest – Dilla or Dre – and the results weren’t always clear cut. I like to believe that I won the argument with Dre, but there’s a strong case with Dilla. The sheer volume of his body of work is unfathomable. He was already deep into the game before anybody knew who he was. If you factor in his influence on the latter half of ATCQ’s career, his work with Slum Village, the endless remixes and collabs, and the legendary beat tapes, you have a producer that touched nearly every corner of the hip hop community (as well as a few outside of hip hop). His production style has been duplicated by countless producers out there. Who gavethe clap / snare its distinct sound? Who put the shift in the sequence to bring the snare in a little early? Filtered synths and loops like no other? You already know.  There’s not much to say that you don’t know about already. Truly a legend.
  3. Pete Rock: For those of you that were around in the early 90s – remember when everybody had to have a “Pete Rock Remix”? Exactly. Name one weak project that Pete Rock produced. It’s okay, i’ll give you time… NONE.  As far as producers go, Pete Rock owned the “Golden Era”. He was Dilla before Dilla. The production on his own albums are still standards to this day, but he was equally as impressive with tracks for others.
  4. DJ Premier: I almost put him and Pete Rock neck in neck for the “Golden Era”. You had to have a Pete Rock Remix and a Premier Remix. Premier probably stepped outside of the east coast more than Pete did. He had signature drum sounds and a style all his own. “Step Into The Arena” and “Daily Operation” were two of the best produced hip hop albums ever, comparable with ATCQ’s 2nd and 3rd albums. And he’s a hell of a DJ. And he’s from TX. Stand up!
  5. This is where it got tricky. I couldn’t find a 5th without excluding someone else who could fit in its place. I polled a few people for their feedback, and here’s some of the answers that I got:
  • Marley Marl – HIGHLY influential in the earl days of hip hop. Changed the game as far as sampling goes.
  • Prince Paul – highly overlooked producer, was responsible for a lot of projects that people take for granted: De la, Stetsasonic, etc
  • The Bomb Squad – Public Enemy’s early work, helped launch Ice Cube’s solo career
  • De La Soul – a lot of people still don’t know that they do most of their production
  • Organized Noize / Earthtone III – Ever heard of the Dungeon Family? Produced Outkast, Goodie MoB, Witchdoctor, etc
  • Timbaland – don’t hate. He might be making the good Timberlake money now, but his sound is still rooted in hip hop
  • Kanye – ego aside, he is / was a damn good producer. I wouldn’t put him in the top 5, but his name is worth mentioning.
  • Manny Fresh – did a lot of popular music for the No Limit camp when they were putting out an album a week
  • Pimp C – a much, much better producer than anyone outside of Texas gave him credit for. Put straight up soul and funk on anything he produced. Look at his discography and prove me wrong.
  • Q-Tip – his work on the early Tribe projects (if it’s true) is classic. His tracks for Nas, Mobb Deep, and a lot of other people went HARD.

Who did I leave off the list? Who’s worthy of that 5th spot? Did I get it all completely wrong? Discuss below.

Damien

Founding member of K-OTIX / The Legendary KO. Unheralded jack of all trades. Spends most of his time these days creating moving pictures and writing some of the best material he's ever written. Likes dogs. Cats - meh.

75 Comments

  • jah jah says:

    dude, you mean top 5 EXPOSED producers, and half of them on your list are overrated. Dre made his fame before people had equipment and didnt know how easy it was to do what he was doing, Pete Rock is just sampling hits and adding drums along with premier. the only one on there is Dilla. Get at some of those fire indie producers like geezo or roland thick, thats production dawg.

  • dirkflowinski says:

    I want the cat who produced the Hammer joints.

    ….My bad, this discussion was getting to serious. LOL

  • FlamesYall says:

    So, yes, Dilla, Dilla, Dilla. You’re right, he is unfathomable in his output, from hard to smooth, to funky, to mellow… The guy is a legend and always will be.

    Also, Dre, RZA, Preemo, Pete, Marley, Bomb Sq., Extra P, BeatMinerz, etc etc…

    Now, I have a strong urge to go listen to Preemo’s remix of ‘Next Level’ by Show and AG.

    BAM!

  • SoulOne says:

    Dilla&
    Dre&
    Preem&
    Pete&
    Kanye

    Dilla goes without saying…in every major category he’s right on top (consistency, innovation, influence, overall skill, longevity). your favorite’s favorite. took what preem, pete, tip, diamond, dre, and prince paul were doing and stepped it up a zillion trillion notches. if you could make a producer using all the other producers’ best attributes it would be Dilla. preem’s rhythm, the funk of pete, tip’s percussion and ear, prince paul’s creativity, dre’s “Quincy factor” (orchestrator) and drum programming…u get Dill.

    Dre, c’mon….the godfather of beats. shaped at least three decades of rap alone, easy. made mega stars along the way, hip hop’s very own Quincy. he doesnt ever have to make a beat again. ever. but he will and whats more important to him is grooming new beat talent. IMO the first producer to make a hip hop record the way jazz, soul and rock ones were made….The Chronic.

    Preem… the epitomy of consistent. and not to mention, perfected the art of rhythmic chorus scratches…AND went from pretty much straight loops and drums (NM Mr NG, Step In The Arena, DO) to a crazy chop game (Moment Of Truth, The Ownerz) seamlessly. has been the absolute east coast sound, and still is to this day.

    Pete…really the first to bring the music to the front of the mc/producer relationship. and he invented the remix, just ask house of pain, das efx, and PE….IMO Mecca and the Soul Brother, best produced album evar…just think if he would have ever actually left Mt Vernon??? lol

    Kanye…dont sleep. look at the track record. dude been making heats (and ghost producing them) for a loooooong time (“Grav” anyone??) and being at or near the top of the game for about a decade says a LOT. hov, alicia keys, comm, the game, slum, scarface, talib…the list goes on and on. gave most of these artists some of their best material. not to mention late registration and graduation are both classics to many. more importantly, dude almost (shouts to Just) by himself brought hip hop out of the state it was in in the late nineties (no disrespect to swizzy, but c’mon), and brought sampling back to the front on a mainstream level, which made a lot of artists listenable again…

    …coming sometime in the future my top 100 producers….blame Damien.

  • SoulOne says:

    also

    q tip
    the neptunes
    and marley marl

    should be in the discussion

  • Hernan D. says:

    well i would say q-tip and dr.dre and pete rock
    q-tip cause he produced for nas, and mobb deep, those are some real heavy beats that are made for them, i would say most of the shit that is made by those producers is really good, and can always grab anyones ear for hearing

  • Hernan D. says:

    and ive heard pretty much everything from every other producer on there, btw, does anyone know what the chances are of becoming a big time producer? and what equipment could you start off with? and how much could you make?

  • People shouldn’t be afraid to leave Dilla out of such lists. I know I personally would not (maybe), because of the music I listen to, but I’m not one of those people who think Dilla is Jesus either. Let us not forget how people first felt about “The Love Movement”.

  • VIDEOKINGnotwithstanding(fill in the blank) says:

    i’m not going to even way in on this but………………………… i will say ARE is right about Timbaland but that also was the cause for SWIZZ which is why there are not many people that can say there is a classic album from 97-2002 (top 40 wise anyway). THE NEPTUNES are highly underated because of their success. Them and Kanye are the reasons why you cannot be 100% mad at radio (i state 100%) Producers whose genius will be dug up years from now (by 15-30year olds in a digging for those old hip-hop records when it was popular and not extinct) future will be MADLIB, D.J. SPINNA, J-DILLA when he won’t be considered Jesus, Q-TIP, and (truly no mention of) DANGERMOUSE the elephant in the room.

  • Damien says:

    I like discussions like this.

    Timbaland is probably my favorite producer, speaking personally. Angry at myself for overlooking the Beatnuts. Dj Muggs also did the damn thing.

  • Mention78 says:

    Marley Marl should be in that top 5… Especially if Pete Rock is on there!!! Good list still…..

  • SoulOne says:

    Well we must remeber…this is a BEST 5 ALL TIME list. IMHO, spinna, dangermouse, alchemist, as dope as they all are have no business in this convo. As far as timbaland…although his influence/innovation can’t be denied, I just don’t see enough hip hop in his track record. The majority of his work is missy, aaliyah, timberlake and such. Which are all great works, but besides a jay z record ect. here and there, just not enough hip hop for my 2 cents… still one of my favs tho

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