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The Definitive Discussion: Top 5 Hip Hop Producers

By April 14, 2009Misc, Music, News

This gets harder and harder with each list…

With this installment, i’m going with the top 5 hip hop producers of all time. This was by far the most difficult list to date. I tried to stray away from simply listing favorites, and challenged myself to list the “best”. Here’s the criteria that i’m going by:

  • First and foremost, I’m considering the producer’s influence and legacy. Game changers. Legends. No fly-by-nighters.
  • Not including people who are producers in name, like Diddy. The producer has to have shown the technical ability to make music at some point in their career.

That’s it. I kept it pretty simple. And with that, here’s the list (in no particular order):

  1. Dr. Dre: Arguably the most influential hip hop producer ever. (And i’m usually the one arguing that.) Produced or co-produced some of the highest selling artists of all time – NWA, himself, Snoop, Eminem, 50 Cent, Jay-Z, Busta Rhymes. Think about how many records were sold from that list alone. You can’t deny his ability to make classic records with long lasting appeal. Some might debate whether or not he’s taking credit for other people’s production these days, but he’s still the man behind the boards. No different from Quincy Jones having session musicians.
  2. Jay Dee / J Dilla: I would have been crucified if his name wasn’t one of the first two mentioned. We’ve had countless debates about who was the greatest – Dilla or Dre – and the results weren’t always clear cut. I like to believe that I won the argument with Dre, but there’s a strong case with Dilla. The sheer volume of his body of work is unfathomable. He was already deep into the game before anybody knew who he was. If you factor in his influence on the latter half of ATCQ’s career, his work with Slum Village, the endless remixes and collabs, and the legendary beat tapes, you have a producer that touched nearly every corner of the hip hop community (as well as a few outside of hip hop). His production style has been duplicated by countless producers out there. Who gavethe clap / snare its distinct sound? Who put the shift in the sequence to bring the snare in a little early? Filtered synths and loops like no other? You already know.  There’s not much to say that you don’t know about already. Truly a legend.
  3. Pete Rock: For those of you that were around in the early 90s – remember when everybody had to have a “Pete Rock Remix”? Exactly. Name one weak project that Pete Rock produced. It’s okay, i’ll give you time… NONE.  As far as producers go, Pete Rock owned the “Golden Era”. He was Dilla before Dilla. The production on his own albums are still standards to this day, but he was equally as impressive with tracks for others.
  4. DJ Premier: I almost put him and Pete Rock neck in neck for the “Golden Era”. You had to have a Pete Rock Remix and a Premier Remix. Premier probably stepped outside of the east coast more than Pete did. He had signature drum sounds and a style all his own. “Step Into The Arena” and “Daily Operation” were two of the best produced hip hop albums ever, comparable with ATCQ’s 2nd and 3rd albums. And he’s a hell of a DJ. And he’s from TX. Stand up!
  5. This is where it got tricky. I couldn’t find a 5th without excluding someone else who could fit in its place. I polled a few people for their feedback, and here’s some of the answers that I got:
  • Marley Marl – HIGHLY influential in the earl days of hip hop. Changed the game as far as sampling goes.
  • Prince Paul – highly overlooked producer, was responsible for a lot of projects that people take for granted: De la, Stetsasonic, etc
  • The Bomb Squad – Public Enemy’s early work, helped launch Ice Cube’s solo career
  • De La Soul – a lot of people still don’t know that they do most of their production
  • Organized Noize / Earthtone III – Ever heard of the Dungeon Family? Produced Outkast, Goodie MoB, Witchdoctor, etc
  • Timbaland – don’t hate. He might be making the good Timberlake money now, but his sound is still rooted in hip hop
  • Kanye – ego aside, he is / was a damn good producer. I wouldn’t put him in the top 5, but his name is worth mentioning.
  • Manny Fresh – did a lot of popular music for the No Limit camp when they were putting out an album a week
  • Pimp C – a much, much better producer than anyone outside of Texas gave him credit for. Put straight up soul and funk on anything he produced. Look at his discography and prove me wrong.
  • Q-Tip – his work on the early Tribe projects (if it’s true) is classic. His tracks for Nas, Mobb Deep, and a lot of other people went HARD.

Who did I leave off the list? Who’s worthy of that 5th spot? Did I get it all completely wrong? Discuss below.

Damien

Founding member of K-OTIX / The Legendary KO. Unheralded jack of all trades. Spends most of his time these days creating moving pictures and writing some of the best material he's ever written. Likes dogs. Cats - meh.

75 Comments

  • abu says:

    yo you definely forgot THE ALCHEMIST always real i think he never never never never putted out one wack beat check his discogr. for me hes right now the best and truest hip hop rap producer and if he goes on he always will be of course the others are big and all that but i cant find one mistake in his career but on every other one theres is always a small mistake in their career or they did some shit or whatever im out salam from germany

  • king says:

    Great List. Yea MADLIB goes on there for my List, he is one of my all time favorites

  • Rad says:

    Can’t argue with Premier or Pete rock but honestly the Neptunes are awesome (see the clipse and jay-z). Especially since their production is sample free. It’s not easy to play multiple instruments like these guys do, unlike Dre.

    Now since Burt Bacharach (google him and peep his discography, he is the white Quincey Jones) is teaching him how to play piano now I’m sure that he is getting better.

    And Damien for the record there is a difference between him and Quincey Jones in that Q. can play piano and has a great understanding of music theory as well as a gift for arranging. He did go to Berkely School of Music and in his late teens arranged music for the great jazz musicians such as Dizzy Gelespie.

    Quincey Jones can write the notation for a movie score on an airplane and transpose it in his head without an instrument or someone to compose for him. Dre cannot write out notation and give it to musicians to play there is a huge difference. Like Pharrell told me even to make better compositions I should be on point with my theory.

    So please never compare the two. Now that that rant is over Dre. is creative but overrated. Furthermore that guy refuses to put out music on a regular basis. The illusion is that when he does make a heater it’s very memorable.

    Pardon me I guess the rant wasn’t over.

  • Pikahsso says:

    s1 Of Strange Fruit Project
    PicnicTyme
    K-PHLX & N-Hance
    Young R.J.
    No ID

  • Damien says:

    Rad – I stand by my Dre / Quincy comparison. One of the criticisms of Dre, especially in recent years, is that other people might be creating the tracks or playing certain elements, while Dre takes credit for it. Quincy would write a score, but most often was not the one playing the instruments. In both cases, each producer orchestrated the direction of the music, and though they may not have had a hands-on approach with their respective tunes, have demonstrated that they are capable of it.

    Dr Dre = hip hop’s Quincy Jones.
    The Chronic = hip hop’s Thriller

    I know who Burt bacharach is and respect his catalogue. Not sure what that has to do with this discussion.

    The Neptunes have had a run of good singles. They did well by the Clipse and tracks that they did for Jay-Z. But in terms of consistent, solid production, I feel that they’ve fallen short. Comparatively, I think Timbaland has them beat by leaps and bounds.

  • guessur says:

    Please change this:

    ‘Manny Fresh – did a lot of popular music for the No Limit camp when they were putting out an album a week’

    to this:

    Manny Fresh – did a lot of popular music for the Cash Money camp when they were putting out an album a week.’

    That is all

    Nice list btw.

  • Damien says:

    Guessur – you caught me on a typo! I’ll leave it as is so that they know you corrected me…

  • Rad says:

    Burt is Dre’s piano teacher and with his help he can be a great stand alone producer rather than paying Storch to play for him was my point. He has a dope musical ear and great potential.

  • savv says:

    damien – yep

  • rek says:

    your lists are always on point

    i’d say you definitely need to add Rza in there tho..wordup

  • Flash Geezy says:

    I think the Tunes got more hits across the board than everyone on the list thus far….Spanning in more than one genre of music. But even in just hip hop alone i think they deserve a top 5 position because they did change the game and usher in a new sound…..and don’t forget all the ghost production they were doing for Teddy Riley……

    and in my opinion Dre is number one…..He’s shifted the course of HIP HOP 3 times.

  • ARE says:

    A few things to remember when thinking of the top 5 greatest
    Creativity
    Discography
    Impact

    Timbo would definitely have to be top 3. He actually created a sound and drum pattern that took the industry by storm let aone the hits.
    Marley Marl would definitely have to be on that list. He is the godfather to Dj Premier and Pete Rock.
    Dilla goes without saying. The Impact, the discography and without a doubt the creativity.
    Dre is a given. The Hits, the sound and the artist he brought out = the impact

    These are in no particular order by the way

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